################################################################################ # # 2004 San Gorgonio Wilderness Water Source Observations # ################################################################################# # # This is a tab delimited file. It can be downloaded and imported into an app # such as Excel or FileMaker for added searchability and sorting. The column # headings are defined as the last commented (#) line below. # # Date Posted Water Source Conditions Date Observed Observed By 2004-04-27 Johns Meadow Plenty of water. Should be a good future supply from snowmelt. 2004-04-12 Hiker Warren 2004-04-27 Vivian Trailcamp Plenty Water 2004-04-25 Kathy 2004-04-27 High Creek Trailcamp Plenty Water 2004-04-25 Kathy 2004-04-27 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) No running water at this time. Couldn't locate the spring. Plenty of snow for making water. 2004-04-24 Steven Myers 2004-04-27 Halfway Trailcamp Flowing Well 2004-04-25 Jason 2004-05-01 Columbine No water flowing at the stream near camp. Snow still available for melting in the area. 2004-04-29 Sean 2004-05-03 Dollar Lake Dry except for mud. 2004-05-01 Oscar 2004-05-03 Dollar Lake Snow about 50 % for melting. 2004-05-01 Oscar 2004-05-16 Alger TrailCamp plenty 2004-05-07 DaveB 2004-05-16 Dobbs Trailcamp plenty x 2 2004-05-07 DaveB 2004-05-16 Saxton Trailcamp (.2 mi.west) plenty 2004-05-07 DaveB 2004-05-17 Vivian Trailcamp Lots of Water 2004-05-16 Shawn 2004-05-17 Halfway Trailcamp Lots of Water 2004-05-16 Shawn 2004-05-17 High Creek Trailcamp Lots of Water 2004-05-16 Shawn 2004-05-17 Lodgepole Spring Looked pretty dry 2004-05-16 asandygal 2004-05-24 Lodgepole Spring Totally dry on Saturday May 22. Not a drop to be found. 2004-05-24 Alex 2004-05-24 Lodgepole Spring Dry Lake water level is low and water quality is very poor, with little red swimming nasties and duck shit. Haul your water up from So. Fk. mdws. 2004-05-22 alex 2004-05-25 Alger TrailCamp Always PLenty of H2O 2004-05-23 Todd Puchalski 2004-05-25 Dobbs Trailcamp Beaucoup water both forks 2004-05-23 ned 2004-05-25 Alger TrailCamp Pleny of water in Alger Creek 2004-05-23 ned 2004-05-27 Fish Creek No water at Fish Creek Camp itself. Nearest water is roughly 25 minutes down the trail or 20 minutes up the trail from camp. Water supply fair to good. 2004-05-26 Greg MacDonald 2004-05-27 Fish Creek Saddle No running water at the camp itself. Some small snow fields for melting and filtering water still within a very short distance of the camp. 2004-05-26 Greg MacDonald 2004-05-29 Jackstraw The springs were flowing at a volume that was enough to pump for filtering. They will not last through the season. There were patches of snow but those will probably be gone by Memorial weekend. 2004-06-22 Lance P. 2004-05-31 High Meadow Springs Water flowing. Best location is at wooden trough. 2004-05-29 BobM 2004-05-31 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) The spring is running big time. You'll hear it before you see it. 2004-05-29 wbtravis5152 2004-05-31 High Meadow Springs Good flow at the half pipe down from the trail camp. This was our first experience with this location, so, I can't give a comparison 2004-05-30 wbtravis5152 2004-05-31 Lodgepole Spring As mentioned previously, bone dry! Dry Lake itself is about 6-10" deep, in a circle of about 150-200'. Water is clear for pumping, but it's very easy to kick up the very fine sediment. My guess is that it'll be dry by mid-June. 2004-05-31 Ed 2004-05-31 South Fork Meadows Probably goes without mentioning, but this area is a great place to load up for trips up to Dry Lake or Dollar. 2004-05-31 Ed 2004-05-31 Jackstraw Both springs running- enough to easily pump-filter conditions are beautiful. 2004-05-29 Camp Family 2004-05-31 Jackstraw Both springs running- enough to easily pump-filter weather conditions are beautiful. 2004-05-31 Camp Family 2004-06-01 Dollar Lake Patchy snow for melting. very little water in lake, very muddy. 2004-05-22 Mike 2004-06-02 Dollar Lake Dry. May find a patch or two of snow for melting. Don't expect left in a week or so. 2004-06-01 SteveM 2004-06-02 Dobbs Trailcamp Both streams running strong. 2004-06-01 SteveM 2004-06-02 Fish Creek Poor flow at the trail crossing above the camp. Some stagnant pools beginning to form. Still useable, but for how long? 2004-06-01 SteveM 2004-06-02 Fish Creek Saddle Several patches of snow left just above the saddle on the Sky Hi trail. Snow is melting fast. Not a reliable source for much longer 2004-06-01 SteveM 2004-06-02 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) Flowing well. Spring is 10 mins walk past camp towards Big Tree. When you get to short (rock slide) switch back, you will see a small path to your left(north) heading into the grass. Follow and listen. 2004-06-01 SteveM 2004-06-02 Saxton Trailcamp (.2 mi.west) Running good. Also, stream at Plummers Meadows, just before switchbacks is running (useable for filtering). 2004-06-01 SteveM 2004-06-02 Fish Creek Saddle Edit on previous report (was thinking mineshaft saddle). There were 2 small patches of snow on S/E hillside at Fish Creek Saddle. Nearest useable supply would be snow at Mineshaft Saddle. 2004-06-01 SteveM 2004-06-07 Dollar Lake Dry. Very Dry. Snow going fast. 2004-06-05 Anthony 2004-06-08 Columbine Columbine Sprngs dry as a bone. 2004-06-05 Stuart 2004-06-08 Johns Meadow Good water flow at both Forsee Creek just prior to camp, and at small stream just west of camp. 2004-06-05 Stuart 2004-06-12 Halfway Trailcamp Flowing, but only about 1/2 the usual flow for this time of year 2004-05-28 Phydeux 2004-06-12 High Creek Trailcamp Flowing, but low for spring 2004-05-28 Phydeux 2004-06-13 Jackstraw First spring crossing trail is not looking too good. Second spring is flowing fairly well. Ok for filtering. 2004-06-12 Steve Myers 2004-06-13 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Water is flowing well above the camp. No flow in any of the smaller creeks that normally flow along trail below camp. 2004-06-12 Steven Myers 2004-06-13 Trailfork There's a trickle at the spring head (located in the bushes at the jct). However, if you walk 1-200 yds below spg, there is decent flow in creekbed. 2004-06-12 Steven Myers 2004-06-13 Johns Meadow "Old Faithful". Both streams flowing strong. 2004-06-12 Steven Myers 2004-06-20 Big Tree Water everywhere. Streams running great 2004-06-19 Steven Myers 2004-06-20 Fish Creek Running very slow. Go up creek from trail crossing 50ft or more. You will find better flow and pools to filter from. 2004-06-19 StevenM 2004-06-20 Fish Creek Saddle No water, No snow. Nearest water is either at Fish Creek (well below saddle) or below Mineshaft flats. Bring plenty with you 2004-06-19 StevenM 2004-06-20 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) Excellent flow. See previous posts for directions to springs. 2004-06-19 SteveM 2004-06-23 High Meadow Springs flow good at wooden trough, bring container to pump from 2004-06-20 Chris 2004-06-27 Alger TrailCamp Running Strong 2004-06-27 StevM 2004-06-27 Dobbs Trailcamp Both streams running great 2004-06-27 SteveM 2004-06-28 Trailfork It takes almost a minute to fill a water bottle from the pipe if you push down on it. This source will likely be dry in one to two weeks. 2004-06-26 Chris Bruno 2004-07-01 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Flowing OK. Went up from the trail about 20-25 ft. to filter from small pools. 2004-06-28 Phil R 2004-07-03 Columbine Dry as a bone 2004-07-03 Steve Myers 2004-07-04 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Water flowing good 2004-07-02 Shane M 2004-07-04 Johns Meadow Both Sreams still flowing well 2004-07-01 Shane M 2004-07-04 Trailfork Just a drip from the pipe, but if you push down on it you will get a trickle. Filtering out of a pool below the pipe works good. 2004-07-03 Shane M 2004-07-07 Fish Creek At the trail crossing the water flow was practically nil. Could filter from small pools of clear water, but not the best. Did not go upstream as mentioned in the previous report. 2004-07-05 Phil R 2004-07-11 Jackstraw First spring across trail is almost to a standstill. Second has about the same flow as a month ago, decent flow, with small pools at trail crossing for easy pumping. 2004-07-10 StevenMyers 2004-07-11 High Meadow Springs Good flow. Easy to locate. Just walk down to the greenery. 2004-07-10 StevenMyers 2004-07-11 Trailfork Appears to be same conditions as previous report. Very slow drip at pipe. Pressing down starts a small stream for 30-45 seconds. Also, the stream below the springs is now dry. 2004-07-10 StevenMyers 2004-07-11 Fish Creek Filtering from pools upstream of trail still OK. 2004-07-10 Mike M 2004-07-12 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) Flow from the spring is still good. You can hear it from the trail. 2004-07-10 Steve B. 2004-07-25 Jackstraw There are two running spgs that cross trail into camp. The first is almost gone. Pools are located down from trail approx 25ft. 2nd spg running better. Pool at trail crossing and I dug a couple more approx 50ft up creek. 2004-07-25 SteveM 2004-07-25 High Meadow Springs Flow at trough is down to trickle. Took approx 1.5 min to fill 32 oz container. There is another spring running better about 5ft away from the trough. Should last for awhile. 2004-07-24 SteveM 2004-07-25 Trailfork Lots of ground seepage just below pipe. Good pool for filtering. Pipe has almost no drip, however, pushing down on the pipe starts a good steady stream. Not much change from last time. 2004-07-24 SteveM 2004-08-02 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) Still flowing stong. 4 seconds to fill a one liter bottle. 2004-07-31 Michael Allen 2004-08-04 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) WATER RUNNING GOOD-SAME AS ABOUT A MONTH AG0-I'D SAY THANK GOD, BUT HE'D GET THE CREDIT FOR IT 2004-08-01 STEVEN M 2004-08-05 Halfway Trailcamp No water 2004-07-25 Larey 2004-08-05 High Creek Trailcamp capacious, copious, plenteous and profuse amounts of water 2004-07-24 Larey 2004-08-05 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Just wanted to add that if you want to go upstream from the trail 20-30 feet to filter, you can take a short, helpful trail located to the right. You avoid walking thru the slippery stream. 2004-08-01 Phil R 2004-08-07 South Fork Meadows Good flow 2004-08-07 SteveM 2004-08-07 Dollar Lake Dollar Lake has been dry for some time,however, there is seepage along the trail juct north of the split to DL Saddle. Patience, a shovel and good filter will fill your canteen. 2004-08-07 SteveM 2004-08-09 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Water is still flowing really well. 2004-08-07 Travis 2004-08-09 Halfway Trailcamp Water is flowing really well. You need to walk up about 30 feet from where the trail crosses the stream. Stay to the left of the stream for the best access. 2004-07-24 Travis 2004-08-18 Lodgepole Spring Dry Lake is still dry even after long rain yesterday. Didn't walk up to spring, but walked around the lake, no flow in. 2004-08-14 Edward Reid 2004-08-18 Fish Creek Good quality water a few feet upstream of the trail crossing. Small flow but plenty for filtering. Didn't check the camp. This was after heavy rain two days ago, so it may not last. 2004-08-15 Edward Reid 2004-08-29 High Meadow Springs Water is still trickling at the trough. Getting hard to filter from it. However, there is second small stream a few feet away that has better flow. Slight change from month ago. 2004-08-28 SteveM 2004-08-29 High Meadow Springs Water is still trickling at trough. Hard to find pool to filter from. However, there is a secondary stream a few feet away that still has deecent flow. 2004-08-28 SteveM 2004-08-29 Jackstraw No more flow at first creek. There is slight ground sepage with a couple of pools remaining to filter from. Second stream still has "minimal" flowing water, suggest you use this one. 2004-08-28 SteveM 2004-08-29 Johns Meadow Both streams are still running strong. 2004-08-28 SteveM 2004-08-29 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Still good flow. Good pools up the spring about 20 ft. 2004-08-28 SteveM 2004-08-29 Trailfork No more drip at pipe, however still has a lot o ground seepage and 2 good pools to filter from. Still can get a 15-20 second flow from the pipe by pushing down on it with your foot. 2004-08-28 SteveM 2004-08-31 Fish Creek Good for filtering at trail crossing before you get to the Fish Creek Camp. The source at trail crossing above Fish Creek Camp was questionable. Directly at trail crossing was mucky, but not usable. Further upstream might be usable stilll, however, I did not venture up to check. 2004-08-29 AstroZomby 2004-09-07 Wildhorse Creek Campsite Creek is flowing well enough to use. 2004-09-05 Oilcan 2004-09-13 Fish Creek Good for filtering at trail crossing before you get to the Fish Creek Camp. The source at trail crossing above Fish Creek Camp was questionable quality, but certainly usable if desperate...very shallow, but more water than last time I was here a couple weeks ago, probably due to the recent rains. 2004-09-11 AstroZomby 2004-09-16 Johns Meadow As always, plenty of water in both streams. 2004-09-14 No bears 2004-09-18 Jackstraw Both springs are trickling. There actually appears to be more water now than 3 wks ago. First spring has pools above and below the trail. The second, the best pool is directly at the trail crossing. There are more upstream. 2004-09-18 StevenM 2004-09-18 Trailfork Amazing, but there's still water. Someone has placed a rock on top of the pipe. This is causing a consistent flow. There are 2 good pools just below the pipe. To find the water, you have to go inside the bushes and locate the pipe. From the outside, everything looks dry. 2004-09-18 StevenM 2004-09-18 High Meadow Springs Water at the trough is a trickle. Water under the trough (going in the same pool) is decent. I've dammed it up and done some excavating. There's a good pool to filter from. 2004-09-18 StevenM 2004-09-26 Jackstraw First streamlet wet, but no flowing at the trail. Second streamlet low, but flowing and OK for filtering. Suggest using a cup or pot to filter from. 2004-09-25 Phil R 2004-10-02 Dollar Lake Still dry as a bone. Seepage down the trail (previous post)is practically non-existent. Nearest water is either South Fork Meadows or High Meadows Springs 2004-10-02 SteveM 2004-10-02 South Fork Meadows Plenty of Water 2004-10-02 SteveM 2004-10-13 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Still good flow. 2004-10-11 lb 2004-10-17 Jackstraw Both springs are still trickling. Not much change from before. Add 5 inches of snow to the area this morning. 2004-10-16 SteveM 2004-10-17 Trailfork There's still trickling water coming from the pipe as well as 2 pools to filter from. When I left this morning, there was also 8 inches of snow in the area 2004-10-16 SteveM 2004-10-17 High Meadow Springs Water still running. No problem filtering from. Snowed this morning as well. 2004-10-16 SteveM 2004-12-07 South Fork Meadows Good flow. Two of the smaller streams are frozen solid. Kind of neat walking across the ice. 2004-12-05 SteveM