################################################################################ # # 2003 San Gorgonio Wilderness Water Source Observations # ################################################################################# # # This is a tab delimited file. It can be downloaded and imported into an app # such as Excel or FileMaker for added searchability and sorting. The column # headings are defined as the last commented (#) line below. # # Date Posted Water Source Conditions Date Observed Observed By 2003-01-16 Alger TrailCamp The creek is flowing very well. The snow run off has made the water very cold 2003-01-15 Matt 2003-01-16 Dobbs Trailcamp The creek is flowing very well and is at double then normal flow. 2003-01-15 Matt 2003-01-19 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) The springs are covered with several feet of snow, so no water was visible, but there is plenty of snow to melt. 2003-01-18 Kathy 2003-01-28 -- 2003-01-28 -- 2003-02-09 Saxton Trailcamp (.2 mi.west) Water flow from the creek before Saxton is very good. More than enough places to pump from. Also, the very small creeklet about 1/4 mile before this is flowing also. 2003-02-09 Ed 2003-02-17 Halfway Trailcamp 2nd hand info....I talked with a few groups coming down who said the water was flowing well just before the camp. 2003-02-16 Ed 2003-02-17 Vivian Trailcamp As always, Vivian is flowing nicely. 2003-02-16 Ed 2003-04-12 Fish Creek Abundant flow in lower Fish Creek, poor at Fish Creek camp; good just upstream from camp. 2003-04-10 Chris 2003-04-12 Fish Creek Saddle Plenty of snow for melting. 2003-04-10 Chris 2003-04-14 Lodgepole Spring Spring is dry. Dry Lake has water but is frozen (edges melt enough for water pumping in the afternoon). 2003-04-11 Chris 2003-04-14 Halfway Trailcamp Lots of water flowing just before the Halfway camp junction. 2003-04-13 Kathy 2003-04-21 Vivian Trailcamp Water Flow Excellent 2003-04-20 SCrookham 2003-04-21 Halfway Trailcamp Water Flow Good at Halfway Camp junction. Melt snow at camp. 2003-04-20 SCrookham 2003-04-21 High Creek Trailcamp Water Source Fair. Melt Snow available. 2003-04-20 SCrookham 2003-04-28 Johns Meadow Water flow excellent at John's Meadow 2003-04-27 Sean Crookham 2003-05-05 Halfway Trailcamp Water flow excellent 2003-05-04 Adam 2003-05-05 High Creek Trailcamp Water flow excellent 2003-05-03 Adam 2003-05-17 Columbine Water is flowing fairly well. Cold and clear. 2003-05-16 Andrew 2003-05-18 Columbine Nice waterfall 2 10ths of a mile above the camp proper. The steam disappears about 1 10th mile above the camp. All spring runoff unfortunately. Good spot to camp for Memorial weekend for sure. 2003-05-18 BobW 2003-05-18 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Completely buried under 2-4 feet of snow. I did NOT hear any water running under the snow at the spring. The trail to the spring is non-existant and potentially dangerous if attempting early in the morning under icy conditions unless you have crampons. 2003-05-18 BobW 2003-05-18 Lodgepole Spring lodgepole is still dry. However, lake is 1/4 - 1/3 full with some snow around also for melting water (not for long). 2003-05-18 evan 2003-05-27 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Snow has melted enough for the stream to be reached. Good flow. 2003-05-24 Cora 2003-05-27 Trailfork Still snowed over. Seems dry still -- dug in multiple places, but no water. Melt snow. 2003-05-24 Cora 2003-05-27 Dollar Lake Lake is healthy, plus really good runoff from nearby Charlton. 2003-05-25 Cora 2003-05-27 High Meadow Springs Springs are flowing well. 2003-05-24 Cora 2003-05-28 Fish Creek Water is flowing, but only fair amounts. Certainly enough to pull from though. This is where the trail intersects the creek. 2003-05-27 Ed 2003-05-28 Fish Creek Saddle Snow to melt, but best guess is that it'll be gone in 2 weeks. 2003-05-27 Ed 2003-05-28 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) The main source of water, .3 miles down in the main gulley near the trail isn't flowing. But right before that, on the left, in the grassy area, water can be found...just listen for it. Weak flows, but sufficient to draw from. 2003-05-27 Ed 2003-05-28 Big Tree 2nd hand info from a group of 5 we talked to staying there this past weekend: good water supply from nearby creek. 2003-05-27 Ed 2003-05-28 Dollar Lake Lake is half full and the runoff is good in the afternoon. Runoff is slower in the morning though. 2003-05-25 JEFF SCOFIELD 2003-06-02 Fish Creek Saddle Some patches of snow available for melting on the N/W facing slopes of Lake Peak above the FC Saddle. 2003-06-01 Steve 2003-06-02 Fish Creek The creek is flowing quite well along the trail as well as at the final crossing before the climb to the Saddle. 2003-06-01 Steve 2003-06-02 Dollar Lake Report from the Mill Creek Ranger station is that water is still available here. 2003-06-01 Steve 2003-06-02 Columbine there was abundant water flowing through the campsite 2003-06-01 Bryce 2003-06-04 Halfway Trailcamp Water Flowing good along the trail before the camp junction 2003-06-01 Kathy 2003-06-04 High Creek Trailcamp Lots of water 2003-06-01 Kathy 2003-06-04 Vivian Trailcamp Water is flowing good in the creek 2003-06-01 Kathy 2003-06-11 Alger TrailCamp Good water and lots of it! 2003-06-01 Brian T. 2003-06-11 Dobbs Trailcamp Good flow from both creeks. 2003-06-01 Brian T. 2003-06-12 High Meadow Springs Water flow is good. 2003-06-11 Stan 2003-06-12 Saxton Trailcamp (.2 mi.west) The creek below camp is flowing very well. The little creeklet a bit further down has a decent flow as well. 2003-06-12 Stan 2003-06-15 Halfway Trailcamp No water at the stream crossing, but pretty good water for filtering about 50 yards upstream and about 1/4 mile downstream from the crossing. 2003-06-14 Phil R. 2003-06-15 Vivian Trailcamp Pretty good flow. Plenty for filtering. 2003-06-14 Phil R. 2003-06-16 Vivian Trailcamp Excellent water flow at High Camp. 2003-06-14 Franko 2003-06-23 Trailfork Water is flowing from the pipe - steady but very low flow. More water is running from the ground below the pipe. There is still enough snow to melt in a couple of sheltered areas next to Trailfork camp. There was also water running in Forsee Creek below Trailfork Camp. 2003-06-21 Rob 2003-06-23 Jackstraw Low volume but running well. 2003-06-21 Rob 2003-06-26 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) Water is running slow and light, but relaiable. Lowest (least) I've seen in over 21 years 2003-06-22 sgardner 2003-06-29 Jackstraw 2 of the 3 creeklets have water. Enough to pump from. 2003-06-29 Ed 2003-06-29 Trailfork Water flowing in the creek about 100' down from where the trail crosses. The further down you go, the stronger it becomes. 2003-06-29 Ed 2003-07-01 Fish Creek Water is still flowing at the stream crossing about a mile before camp. Adequate (but low) water crossing the trail about 0.5 miles above camp. 2003-06-29 MarkJ 2003-07-01 Fish Creek Saddle DRY. No snow nearby. 2003-06-29 MarkJ 2003-07-05 Saxton Trailcamp (.2 mi.west) The stream closest to camp is doing very well. The little creeklet a little further from camp is also doing well. 2003-07-04 Stan 2003-07-13 High Creek Trailcamp Abundant amount of water with a very good flow right along the camp. 2003-07-10 Meliana 2003-07-13 Halfway Trailcamp Did not camp here, but water is dry where it normally crosses the trail. We were told that water could be found about 200 yards up or down the creek bed. Recommend filling up at Vivian Creek with as much water as possible because the next flowing creek water source I saw alongside the trail was at High Creek. 2003-07-10 Meliana 2003-07-14 Jackstraw 2 small streams of water are still flowing near the campsite. 2003-07-05 markj 2003-07-14 Trailfork A slow trickle of water continues to flow from the pipe. A suitable pool to pump from is directly below the pipe. This is located in a patch of bushes, just off the trail, near the trail junction. 2003-07-05 markj 2003-07-16 Johns Meadow Strong, abundant water from both forks of Forsee Creek at campsite. 2003-07-04 Nate 2003-07-20 Halfway Trailcamp Happy to report that good water is available for filtering still about 50-60 yards upstream from the stream/trail crossing and about 1/4 mile below. 2003-07-20 Phil R. 2003-07-20 Alger TrailCamp Lots of water. Follow your ears. 2003-07-19 markj 2003-07-20 Saxton Trailcamp (.2 mi.west) Plenty of water. 2003-07-19 markj 2003-07-21 High Meadow Springs The spring is still flowing nicely. Follow the trail through the camp area south (downhill). 2003-07-20 markj 2003-07-21 Dollar Lake Water is available. The lake is still clearly visible from Dollar Lake Saddle. 2003-07-20 markj 2003-07-21 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) flowing well. water of good quality and quantity. 2003-07-19 ken thompson 2003-07-21 Fish Creek water level low but flowing enough for filtering 2003-07-19 ken thompson 2003-07-28 Halfway Trailcamp Phil R.'s 07-20-03 comment still valid 2003-07-27 Adam 2003-07-28 High Creek Trailcamp Meliana's 07-10-03 obervation still valid. 2003-07-26 Adam 2003-07-30 Jackstraw Flow fair for filtering at camp. Very little along trail. 2003-07-27 Blake Miller 2003-08-04 Jackstraw Water at camp, second stream has best flow. 2003-08-01 Warren S. Troop966, Torrance 2003-08-04 Johns Meadow Plenty of water. 2003-08-03 Warren S. Troop 966, Torrance 2003-08-04 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Plenty of water. This time last year it was a trickle. 2003-08-02 Warren S. Troop 966, Torrance 2003-08-04 Trailfork Trickle of water. Using a sheet of metal and a short bucket you can filter water. 2003-08-01 Warren S. Troop 966, Torrance 2003-08-18 High Creek Trailcamp Flowing nicely just before the switchbacks 2003-08-10 Steve H 2003-08-19 High Creek Trailcamp Lots of water. 2003-08-18 Ed S 2003-08-24 Fish Creek still good source of water, go just a hair south of the trail to find pools to pump from. 2003-08-23 Phil M. 2003-08-24 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) flowing nicely no problem pumping here. 2003-08-23 Phil M. 2003-08-24 Limber Pine (.3 mi.west) Water flow was good. Plenty of little pools in the stream at the trail and upstream to filter from. 2003-08-23 Phil R. 2003-08-24 Halfway Trailcamp About 120 paces up the dry creekbed from the point where the trail crosses it,(just before the trailcamp junction), there is a very good flow of water. Good size pools to filter from. 2003-08-24 Ed 2003-08-24 Jackstraw Water is flowing enough to filter along the camp trail and south of the trail. 2003-08-24 Kathy 2003-08-24 Trailfork Water low, but there is enough flowing under the pipe to filter and use. 2003-08-24 Kathy 2003-08-28 Saxton Trailcamp (.2 mi.west) All water sources are alive and well. 2003-08-27 stan 2003-09-01 Fish Creek Just as Phil stated for last week...still a good water source. 2003-09-01 Ed 2003-09-01 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) Water availability better than it was on Memeorial Day Weekend. Good water source. 2003-09-01 Ed 2003-09-01 High Meadow Springs Water flowing nicely 2003-08-30 Alan 2003-09-02 Dollar Lake Nearly dry. 2003-08-31 Ahasuerus 2003-09-02 High Meadow Springs Moderate flow. 2003-08-31 Ahasuerus 2003-09-02 Trailfork Low flow. 2003-08-31 Ahasuerus 2003-09-03 Jackstraw Still enough flow to filter from. About 1 GPM from the west stream. 2003-09-01 Lon Keeney 2003-09-03 Trailfork Very low flow but still a few small shallow pools to filter from. 2003-09-01 Lon Keeney 2003-09-03 Alger TrailCamp Excellent flow, plenty of water including many large pools 2003-09-01 John 2003-09-03 Dobbs Trailcamp Good flow, plenty of water 2003-09-01 John 2003-09-03 Saxton Trailcamp (.2 mi.west) Decent flow, easy filtering 2003-09-01 John 2003-09-08 Jackstraw Ditto above. About 1 to 1-1/2 gpm from the West Stream 2003-09-06 Tony 2003-09-14 Columbine More than enough water flowing. 2003-09-14 Ed 2003-09-14 Johns Meadow Both creeks are flowing beautifully :) 2003-09-14 Ed 2003-09-22 Halfway Trailcamp Could still hear the water just upstream from the trail crossing at Halfway. However, the water about 1/4 mile below the trail crossing is gone. 2003-09-20 Phil R. 2003-09-22 Vivian Trailcamp Plenty of water still available at Vivian Creek Camp. 2003-09-20 Phil R. 2003-09-22 High Creek Trailcamp Good water flow. 2003-09-20 Phil R. 2003-09-25 High Meadow Springs spring running strong, clear & cold. cleaned up the old wooden trough/spout, flowing nicely now. 2003-09-20 tarbubble 2003-09-28 Fish Creek good 2003-09-21 DaveB 2003-09-28 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) very good 2003-09-25 DaveB 2003-09-28 Big Tree very good, plentyful 2003-09-24 DaveB 2003-10-06 High Creek Trailcamp Water is flowing nicely and cold. Plenty of water. 2003-10-05 Eric Dye 2003-10-26 High Meadow Springs Good flow of water for refilling. 2003-10-19 Dave Browne 2003-11-10 Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail) Spring just below the camp is flowing very well. Patches of snow for melting available at 9,000'. 2003-11-09 Roamin' Joe 2003-11-10 Fish Creek Creek is flowing about as far up as the meadows. Flozen over at about 8,400' (but you can hear the water trickling below). 2003-11-09 Roamin' Joe 2003-11-10 Fish Creek Saddle Patches of snow for melting available. more accumulating. 2003-11-09 Roamin Joe 2003-11-28 Fish Creek Saddle no water at all - take plenty and avoid dehydration - cold nights will give you mountain sickness (lack of o2) - keep your blood thin with plenty of water 2003-10-26 the daddy ball 2003-12-05 Vivian Trailcamp Plenty of water 2003-11-30 John 2003-12-05 High Creek Trailcamp Plenty of Water 2003-11-30 John 2003-12-10 Columbine No water, had to melt snow, which was limited. 2003-12-06 Steve T.