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# 2008 San Gorgonio Wilderness Water Source Observations
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# Date Posted	 Water Source	 Conditions	 Date Observed	 Observed By
2007-04-02	Vivian Trailcamp	water flowing well	2007-04-01	AsABat
2007-04-02	Halfway Trailcamp	water a little sluggish but can be filtered	2007-04-01	AsABat
2007-04-02	High Creek Trailcamp	water flowing ok but lower that I've seen it in some Julys	2007-04-01	AsABat
2007-04-11	High Creek Trailcamp	water flowing nicely, but below normal for time of year	2007-03-14	hillbasher
2007-04-12	Johns Meadow	All springs and streams were running, But flow is low for this time of year	2007-04-05	AOHiker
2007-04-14	Columbine	dry no water	2007-04-14	Water guy
2007-04-17	Vivian Trailcamp	Water flow was good at Vivian	2007-04-15	gsnishi
2007-04-17	Halfway Trailcamp	Water flow was good at Halfway camp.  Water is located at the creek just before you reach Halfway Camp / High Creek trail sign on your way up to San Gorgonio. Just where the trail crosses the creek, if you go up the right side of the creek, there is a nice water fall to fill a collapsible bucket from which to filter water.	2007-04-14	gsnishi
2007-04-17	High Creek Trailcamp	Water flow was good.  Water source is located just beyond High Creek campsites where the trail crosses the creek.  	2007-04-13	gsnishi
2007-04-25	Jackstraw	Flowing	2007-04-22	Alon
2007-04-30	Jackstraw	Water flowing at both locations.  Flow low for this time of year.  Lower flow than last September (the last time I was through this area).	2007-04-27	Hikin' Jim
2007-04-30	Johns Meadow	Water flowing well at Forsee Creek and the two small subsidiary branches of Forsee Creek that are East of the trail camp.  Flow low for this time of year.  	2007-04-25	Hikin' Jim
2007-04-30	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	Water flowing well.  Was easy to pump water with my MSR filter.  Limber Pine Bench free of snow, but a lot of snow on trail on N facing slopes above LP Spgs.	2007-04-26	Hikin' Jim
2007-04-30	Trailfork	Completely frozen and buried.  Plenty of snow to melt for water.	2007-04-27	Hikin' Jim
2007-04-30	Jackstraw	Additional Note:  En Route to Jackstraw, Round Cienga Creek is flowing and has useable water.  Stetson Creek is dry at both lower and upper trail crossings.  One small seep above Stetson creek en route to Jackstraw, but the only pools I saw were directly on the trail.	2007-04-27	Hikin' Jim
2007-05-07	Halfway Trailcamp	Plenty of water for filtering	2007-05-05	Dan Girard
2007-05-07	High Creek Trailcamp	Good flow	2007-05-05	Dan Girard
2007-05-14	Trailfork	no water. small dirty patches of snow.	2007-05-13	ml
2007-05-14	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	flow at the place above limber pine trail camp. no flow where the trail crosses the "stream" below limber pine trail camp.	2007-05-14	ml
2007-05-14	Dollar Lake	from trail to alto diablo (~700feet above) dollar lake looked dry.	2007-05-13	ml
2007-05-27	High Creek Trailcamp	Trickling enough to be useful, maybe more than a "trickle."  I had to lean my bottles against a rock, but it was not too difficult to fill them.  Easy to cross without getting my feet wet.	2007-05-24	Perry
2007-05-27	Vivian Trailcamp	Plenty of water around Vivian Creek!! Enjoy!! 	2007-05-27	RON J
2007-05-28	High Meadow Springs	Water was flowing gently, but not off of the wooden trough that is normally the best place to filter. Bring a pot or something to filter out of. If you have never been to this spring before, note that you have to find the meadow below the campsites and look for the wet area. The area is somewhat steep.UTM 11 S 0512322 3775842 (someone else please verify)	2007-05-26	Phil R
2007-05-28	High Meadow Springs	Low flow, pump necessary.	2007-05-26	TimM
2007-05-28	Jackstraw	Low flow, a trickle just above the trail and puddles all around.	2007-05-28	TimM
2007-05-28	Johns Meadow	Plenty of water.  Pump not necessary.	2007-05-28	TimM
2007-05-28	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	Low flow, a small trickle with puddles.	2007-05-26	TimM
2007-05-28	South Fork Meadows	Plenty of water, a pump is unnessary.	2007-05-27	TimM
2007-05-28	Trailfork	A tiny trickle comes out of the pipe if you push down on it.  Water also can be pumped out from puddles.	2007-05-27	TimM
2007-06-08	Jackstraw	Puddles but no observable flow at the first seep.  Measured about 1 qt/min at the spring closest to camping area: must use pump in very muddy bottom puddles. 	2007-06-08	Gary Bickel
2007-06-10	Columbine	Nice hike but VERY DRY!	2007-06-10	D
2007-06-10	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	Very little flow but still a few puddles - don't count on it for long!  Never seen it this low this early	2007-06-10	D
2007-06-13	High Creek Trailcamp	Creek still has good water flow and is good for filtering.	2007-06-10	Ben
2007-06-13	Alger TrailCamp	Very nice flow	2007-06-14	D
2007-06-13	Dobbs Trailcamp	Very Nice Flow	2007-06-13	D
2007-06-13	Saxton Trailcamp (.2 mi.west)	Nice Flow	2007-06-13	D
2007-06-13	High Creek Trailcamp	Nice flow - but looking lower than usaul	2007-06-13	D
2007-06-13	Vivian Trailcamp	Nice flow - but much less than normal	2007-06-13	D
2007-06-16	Fish Creek	Low flow, can be filtered	2007-06-17	corgiman
2007-06-18	Halfway Trailcamp	No water flowing where the stream crosses the trail just before you get to the camp. However, there are small pools about 100 yards up the stream bed. Follow the use trail that is just to the left of the stream bed to get to the pools. 	2007-06-16	Phil R
2007-06-26	Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail)	Good flow	2007-06-20	DaveB
2007-07-01	High Creek Trailcamp	enough water flow to use filters and enjoy drinking this refreshing, cristaline, and cool water. Thank God for his wonderful creation as seen in the San Gorgonio Mountain.	2007-06-29	ema
2007-07-02	Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail)	Good cold, flow.  Beware of stinging nettle.  .3 miles is optimistic.	2007-07-01	GrantB
2007-07-02	High Creek Trailcamp	I was able to fill my bottles and use iodine tablets because somebody made a nice pool about 10 or 15 feet above the trail, deep enough for bottles.  Still low flow, but it appears the flow has not changed much in the last month.  Hopefully that means it will continue for awhile...	2007-07-02	Perry
2007-07-03	Alger TrailCamp	Nice flow of water.  Saw a bear too!! 	2007-06-19	RON J
2007-07-03	Lodgepole Spring	lake is about 1/3 full and brackish.  the spring is flowing moderately.  hard not to pick up a leaf or twig without a filter.  lots of flies.  pair of clark's nutcrackers drinking from spring.  tamed doe meandering through camp.	2007-06-30	lusciouslars
2007-07-05	Vivian Trailcamp	Lower than usual, but adequate flow.	2007-07-05	Marc
2007-07-05	High Creek Trailcamp	Low, but enough to fit a water bottle into if you dig a little.	2007-07-05	Marc
2007-07-07	Lodgepole Spring	 Dry lake has water in it will need filtered. Logdgpole springs running at a good trickle. 	2007-07-07	corgiman
2007-07-08	High Meadow Springs	Water is flowing very slowly.  There was sufficient volume to collect several liters in a few minutes.  We collected water in a 1/2 liter bottle and used it to fill a couple of 1 liter bottles.  It was hard to do much else.  We did not filter, although that would have help to keep the dirt out.	2007-07-07	Alan Kleinsasser
2007-07-08	High Creek Trailcamp	The small creek along the trail laving the camp was flowing slowly.  It was easy to collect plenty of water for drinking and there were pools that would have made filtering easy.	2007-07-07	Alan Kleinsasser
2007-07-16	Dobbs Trailcamp	Good flow, large fish, large bear	2007-07-14	tomonthelam
2007-07-16	Alger TrailCamp	Good flow	2007-07-14	tomonthelam
2007-07-17	Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail)	Good flow at spring and creek. 	2007-07-14	Mike Peralez
2007-07-17	Lodgepole Spring	Low flow, but still plenty to fill all water needs.	2007-07-15	Mike Peralez
2007-07-18	Lodgepole Spring	More than 1 gallon every 10 seconds.  Several man made 6" deep pools for filtering.  We collected water from a little waterfall into a 1 gallon jug and filtered from the jug.	2007-07-13	Bob
2007-07-18	High Creek Trailcamp	Flow is small but brisk.  Pools above the trail are deep enough to wash feet.	2007-07-09	Brainybuffoon
2007-07-18	Lodgepole Spring	Slow flow, but enough to filter out of.	2007-07-18	Marc
2007-07-18	South Fork Meadows	Plenty of water	2007-07-18	Marc
2007-07-18	South Fork Meadows	Plenty of water	2007-07-18	Marc
2007-07-22	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	Very low flow, but still enough to fill water bottles if you need to.	2007-07-21	Kathy W.
2007-07-23	Vivian Trailcamp	Still more than adequate flow of water for filtering water.	2007-07-22	Steve
2007-07-23	Halfway Trailcamp	Another person in our group checked out the water in the pools along the use trail mentioned in a previous post and found the pools with adequate flow for filtering water.	2007-07-22	Steve
2007-07-23	High Creek Trailcamp	Decent pools and flow of water for filtering.  	2007-07-22	Steve
2007-07-28	High Creek Trailcamp	It was noticeably lower than the last time I posted, but still flowing enough to fill water bottles.  It did rain enough to possibly increase water flow temporarily.	2007-07-26	Perry
2007-07-30	High Creek Trailcamp	Excellent flow found below the camp site next to the stream - nice waterfall in the canyon below, visible as you approach the camp. 	2007-07-28	Rich
2007-08-01	Jackstraw	Normal streamlettes were dry.	2007-07-28	Phil R
2007-08-04	Jackstraw	Went in today all streams and springs  dry, except the very last one nearest the camp.  Trickle of a flow, but small pools could be pumped, and the stream still runs.	2007-08-04	Corgiman
2007-08-05	Lodgepole Spring	three reports of usable water and good flow	2007-08-05	Corgiman
2007-08-06	South Fork Meadows	Flowing well, always beautiful	2007-08-05	Big Bear Today
2007-08-06	High Creek Trailcamp	Lowest I've seen so far this year.  Barely enough for water bottles.  Soon it will only be useable if you have a pump with a tube.  The effects of that rain on July 26 were very short-term.  It's now a trickle again.	2007-08-06	Perry
2007-08-08	Fish Creek	Small stream above camp runs, collect up stream, contaminated by horse manure yesterday, I cleaned it out best I could...braided stream by table rock also contaminated by horse tied up within a yard of stream…I could not get all of it out without a shovel…  	2007-08-07	Corgiman
2007-08-08	Fish Creek Saddle	Searched for a green spot, found none	2007-08-07	Corgiman
2007-08-13	Halfway Trailcamp	no water crossing the trail, didn't check for the aforementioned pools.	2007-08-11	Tyler
2007-08-13	High Creek Trailcamp	Water flow okay, definitely enough to pump if needed.	2007-08-11	Tyler
2007-08-13	Vivian Trailcamp	Still more than adequate flow of water for filtering water.	2007-08-11	Tyler
2007-08-20	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	Very low flow still, but enough to fill bottles. About 30 feet up is the best place to get the water.	2007-08-18	Mike M
2007-08-21	Vivian Trailcamp	Still good flow for filtering.	2007-08-19	Marie
2007-08-21	High Creek Trailcamp	There's still a decent flow for filtering.	2007-08-18	Marie
2007-08-21	Halfway Trailcamp	The creek is dry where it crosses the trail, but 350 feet upstream we found plentiful running water.	2007-08-17	ruscal
2007-08-21	High Creek Trailcamp	Good water flow in the stream.	2007-08-17	ruscal
2007-08-21	Vivian Trailcamp	Good water flow.	2007-08-17	ruscal
2007-09-10	Vivian Trailcamp	Good water flow.	2007-09-09	Denise
2007-09-10	Halfway Trailcamp	No water flow where trail crosses creek, but go upstream about 150 feet and there's filterable water.	2007-09-08	Denise
2007-09-10	High Creek Trailcamp	Low water flow, but filterable if you upstream a bit.	2007-09-09	Denise
2007-09-16	Johns Meadow	Plenty of water in both creeks on either side of the trail camp at John's Meadow.	2007-09-16	Greg B
2007-09-19	Alger TrailCamp	Great flow.	2007-09-15	Rob
2007-09-20	Alger TrailCamp	Great flow in trail camp.  Low flow but still collectible at the spring on the Alger Creek Trail that is near the Momyer Cr Tr/Alger Creek Tr jct.	2007-09-14	Hikin' Jim
A couple of smaller streams were running in the vicinity of Saxton as well.  Great trail for water.	2007-09-14	Hikin' Jim
2007-09-23	Dollar Lake	the water from labor day wasn't retained. There is nothing but puddles on the lake floor this weekend. Don't rely uupon Dollar Lake as a water source.	2007-09-22	Ian Smith
2007-09-27	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	Water still flowing- okay for filtering	2007-09-16	Ben
2007-10-01	Big Tree	Creek has good flow. Creek is about 20ft from camp site.	2007-09-28	SteveM
2007-10-01	Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail)	Good flow at springs and further down the valley (center) due to lots of water seepage on hillside.	2007-09-28	SteveM
2007-10-01	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	Very low trickle, enough to filter if you're patient.	2007-09-30	Jonny C
2007-10-02	Fish Creek	Moderate flow at the trail crossing a half mile up from camp; should head upstream 10-20 yards to pump.	2007-09-30	Edd
2007-10-16	Lodgepole Spring	Decent flow at the spring. The trace trail to Fish Creek Saddle is crossed by the water about 5 mins beyond Dry Lake. Water disappears underground almost immediately.	2007-09-29	Lopzilla
2007-10-16	South Fork Meadows	Water flow is good at the trail crossing to Dry Lake.	2007-10-14	Space Hiker
2007-10-25	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	Limber Pine Spring is now DRY!  I did not see any place to obtain water on the entire trail all day.	2007-10-20	DRHABES
2007-11-13	Fish Creek	Very Slow water flow just past the Fish Creek Trail Camp (about 1/8 mile past the camp).	2007-11-10	Just Another Mile
2007-11-14	Lodgepole Spring	Still water coming from the spring, its a slow trickle but plenty of water to fill up with	2007-11-11	adam
2007-11-25	High Creek Trailcamp	Waterfall going 200 or so yards below High Creek - good luck getting to it.  Decent water flow at High Creek Camp, just up and across the drainage.  Oh, when I say I will be back if no water, I mean: abort current trip and be back another day	2007-11-23	MAN
2008-04-24	Vivian Trailcamp	water condition very good. lots of flow. clear snow runoffs.	2008-04-11	ryan
2008-04-27	Columbine	No water in the creeks, but plenty of snow to melt.  	2008-04-27	James
2008-04-27	Johns Meadow	Plenty of water flowing in both creeks.  Plenty of snow, too.	2008-04-06	James
2008-05-05	Vivian Trailcamp	Good water flow, but not as strong as usual for the end of spring. The creek above the camp had pretty good flow in spots along the trail.	2008-05-04	Phil R.
2008-05-05	Halfway Trailcamp	Good flow at the trail crossing. Looks like a mixture of spring water and snow melt. 	2008-05-04	Phil
2008-05-06	Columbine	Water is plentiful 100 yds up streambed from trail crossing.  Streambed dry down from there, spring must go underground.	2008-05-04	DB
2008-05-19	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	There is plenty of water if your willing to take the hike up to the water source, and it should last awhile too becuase of all the snow. If you don't want to take that little hike, then just melt the snow around the camp.	2008-05-18	Woodzy
2008-05-19	Lodgepole Spring	Spring is not as high as I thought it would be but it is flowing.  	2008-05-19	Damon
2008-05-19	South Fork Meadows	Water everywhere	2008-05-19	Damon
2008-06-01	High Creek Trailcamp	Water flowing from pipe.  1.25 gallons per minute	2008-05-31	MV849
2008-06-01	Jackstraw	Water flowing, but seemed slow for this time of year.  Only one stream had flow.  Some snow still in area.	2008-05-31	MV849
2008-06-01	High Creek Trailcamp	Sorry, May 31 post was for Trail Fork Springs.	2008-05-31	MV849
2008-06-01	Trailfork	Water flowing from pipe.  1.25 gallons per minute.  Lots of snow around pipe area.	2008-05-31	MV849
2008-06-12	Alger TrailCamp	Excellent Flow at Creek.  --ALSO--   Adequate flow at spring under cedar tree just east of Momyer Cr Trl and Alger Cr Trl junction	2008-04-25	Hikin' Jim
2008-06-16	Johns Meadow	Water in Forsee Creek (east of camp) excellent flow.  Water in small branch of Forsee Creek west of camp also excellent flow.	2008-04-26	Hikin' Jim
2008-06-17	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	Plenty of water flowing .3 mi west of Limber Pine Camp.	2008-06-14	KathyW
2008-06-19	High Creek Trailcamp	Plenty of water still. 	2008-06-14	Hillbasher
2008-06-19	Halfway Trailcamp	Stream still flowing'	2008-06-13	Hillbasher
2008-06-19	Vivian Trailcamp	Stream still flowing'	2008-06-13	Hillbasher
2008-06-23	Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail)	Excellent flow, clear and cold from two distinct springs - very tasty water.	2008-06-20	Herminator
2008-06-28	High Creek Trailcamp	Still plenty of flowing water	2008-06-27	Bioactive1
2008-06-29	Limber Pine (.3 mi.west)	Nice Flow	2008-06-27	Bill
2008-06-29	Trailfork	Fair flow, Flows also in the trail .2 miles west	2008-06-27	Bill
2008-06-29	High Meadow Springs	Good flow - single stream	2008-06-28	Bill
2008-06-29	Dollar Lake	View from Red Rock Flat indicates Dollar is about 1/2 full	2008-06-28	Bill
2008-06-29	Halfway Trailcamp	Good flow	2008-06-29	Bill
2008-06-30	Trailfork	1.5 oliters/minute from the pipe.
Much stronger flow 200 ft below the spring	2008-06-30	George Wysup
2008-06-30	Jackstraw	3 liters/minute flow from the spring farthest west.
	2008-06-30	George Wysup
2008-07-05	High Meadow Springs	Good flow -- much better than last year at this time	2008-07-04	AlanK
2008-07-05	South Fork Meadows	bookmark you thx 	2009-11-17	Tsjcxasi
2008-07-05	South Fork Meadows	Very funny pictures 	2008-08-25	Tjmwyhtf
2008-07-06	Big Tree	interesting post thx 	2009-08-13	Qhvhfpcb
2008-07-06	Trailfork	good work man 	2008-03-02	Oxyskztc
2008-07-07	Fish Creek	1/2 mile above camp, stream runs	2008-07-06	Corgiman
2008-07-14	Dollar Lake	Spring is flowing, 40 seconds to fill a liter bottle.  Nice clear pool.  Lake is less than half full, getting a green tinge.  See pictures on bulletin board.	2008-07-12	Jan Trumbo
2008-07-14	Lodgepole Spring	Good flow...and beautiful	2008-07-13	Corgiman
2008-07-20	Mineshaft Flat (.3 miles down trail)	Good Flow, multiple locations	2008-07-20	Steve B.
2008-07-20	Fish Creek	Water about 1/2 mile upcreek is a trickle; Plan to get muddy and have a long wait to fill anything there.	2008-07-20	Steve B